Comments on: The Federal Vision Debate: Historical Precedents in the 19C Anglican Church Part II http://blog.solagratia.org/2007/02/20/the-federal-vision-debate-historical-precedents-in-the-19c-anglican-church-part-ii/ Dealing with issues in reformed theology. Mon, 08 Sep 2008 06:58:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Reformata - A Reformed Blog » The Federal Vision Debate: Historical Precedents in the 19C Anglican Church Part III http://blog.solagratia.org/2007/02/20/the-federal-vision-debate-historical-precedents-in-the-19c-anglican-church-part-ii/#comment-4338 Reformata - A Reformed Blog » The Federal Vision Debate: Historical Precedents in the 19C Anglican Church Part III Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:23:01 +0000 http://blog.solagratia.org/2007/02/20/the-federal-vision-debate-historical-precedents-in-the-19c-anglican-church-part-ii/#comment-4338 [...] In our previous two posts (part I and part II), we have been examining the parallels (especially as they relate to the current Federal Vision debate) between contemporary conservative Presbyterianism and 19C Anglicanism by considering the polemical writing of J. C. Ryle. As we have mentioned, Ryle was a representative of the evangelical wing of the Church of England and he was writing against what he labeled the ritualistic wing of his church. [...] [...] In our previous two posts (part I and part II), we have been examining the parallels (especially as they relate to the current Federal Vision debate) between contemporary conservative Presbyterianism and 19C Anglicanism by considering the polemical writing of J. C. Ryle. As we have mentioned, Ryle was a representative of the evangelical wing of the Church of England and he was writing against what he labeled the ritualistic wing of his church. [...]

]]> By: Mark Horne http://blog.solagratia.org/2007/02/20/the-federal-vision-debate-historical-precedents-in-the-19c-anglican-church-part-ii/#comment-4307 Mark Horne Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:15:02 +0000 http://blog.solagratia.org/2007/02/20/the-federal-vision-debate-historical-precedents-in-the-19c-anglican-church-part-ii/#comment-4307 First "emotions" and now "sarcasm"? I'm not sure exactly what you're reading to glean these things. My presbytery did deal with the issue, releasing a report and vindicating me, if that matters. Thanks for your interest in my response. First “emotions” and now “sarcasm”? I’m not sure exactly what you’re reading to glean these things.

My presbytery did deal with the issue, releasing a report and vindicating me, if that matters.

Thanks for your interest in my response.

]]> By: C. Ryan Jenkins http://blog.solagratia.org/2007/02/20/the-federal-vision-debate-historical-precedents-in-the-19c-anglican-church-part-ii/#comment-4304 C. Ryan Jenkins Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:01:23 +0000 http://blog.solagratia.org/2007/02/20/the-federal-vision-debate-historical-precedents-in-the-19c-anglican-church-part-ii/#comment-4304 Thanks for the comments Matt. Without doubt the parallels aren't <i>exact</i> between the dispute among 19C Anglicans and contemporary conservative Presbyterians. Even a cursory reading of Ryle's treatise will reveal that the analogs are not exact (cf. his treatment of church polity for example). However, I do find a few of the similarities between that debate and this current one rather intriguing (particularly the level of <i>emotional investment</i> one finds among the various parties in both eras as it relates to this type of debate). Perhaps this initial line of inquiry will lead to a more substantial investigation, especially with regard to the points of contact between the specific charges and counter-charges of the disputants from both eras. Thanks for the comments Matt.

Without doubt the parallels aren’t exact between the dispute among 19C Anglicans and contemporary conservative Presbyterians.

Even a cursory reading of Ryle’s treatise will reveal that the analogs are not exact (cf. his treatment of church polity for example).

However, I do find a few of the similarities between that debate and this current one rather intriguing (particularly the level of emotional investment one finds among the various parties in both eras as it relates to this type of debate).

Perhaps this initial line of inquiry will lead to a more substantial investigation, especially with regard to the points of contact between the specific charges and counter-charges of the disputants from both eras.

]]> By: Matt http://blog.solagratia.org/2007/02/20/the-federal-vision-debate-historical-precedents-in-the-19c-anglican-church-part-ii/#comment-4292 Matt Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:27:13 +0000 http://blog.solagratia.org/2007/02/20/the-federal-vision-debate-historical-precedents-in-the-19c-anglican-church-part-ii/#comment-4292 I wouldn\'t hold your breath of getting a sustained argument in the FV blogosphere, Ryan. II Thess. 2:13-15 -- \"As for you, brothers, do not grow weary in doing good. If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.\" Trading sarcastic remarks helps no one...which is why I choose to have nothing to do with it. Our church courts will deal with this in due time. The Ryle-Anglican angle is an interesting one, though I\'m not sure I\'d see it as primary. Peace. I wouldn\’t hold your breath of getting a sustained argument in the FV blogosphere, Ryan.

II Thess. 2:13-15 — \”As for you, brothers, do not grow weary in doing good. If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.\”

Trading sarcastic remarks helps no one…which is why I choose to have nothing to do with it. Our church courts will deal with this in due time.

The Ryle-Anglican angle is an interesting one, though I\’m not sure I\’d see it as primary.

Peace.

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